Wearing white coats and virtual reality (VR) headsets, Dr. Rohan Jotwani and Dr. John Rubin, co-directors of Weill Cornell Medicine’s Extended Reality Anesthesiology Immersion Lab (XRAIL), turn on their computer and enter the virtual New York City apartment of A.I. C.A.R.L., a virtually simulated chronic pain patient with sickle cell disease.
In a setting reminiscent of a mid-2000s open-world video game, C.A.R.L. stands firmly and looks straight ahead through the screen, calmly answering questions in crisply ironed jeans and a button-down shirt. When the physicians ask a series of questions about how he’s managing his pain, including how much medication he’s taking, C.A.R.L. responds with nuance: “It’s not about the dosage,” he tells them in his deep, distinctive digitized voice. “It’s about finding a solution that works for both of us.”
C.A.R.L. is a new response to the challenge of preparing medical students and residents for complex, emotionally charged interactions with their future patients. To provide quality care, doctors must be able to communicate clearly with patients to understand their needs and concerns, especially when treating complicated conditions like pain, which can be difficult to evaluate and successfully treat. But opportunities to practice with manikins or standardized patients (paid actors simulating patient scenarios) before meeting their first real-life patients are often quite limited.
Enter C.A.R.L., which stands for Conversational Agent Relief Learning in Pain Management. The brainchild of Dr. Jotwani and Dr. Rubin, both assistant professors of clinical anesthesiology, C.A.R.L. is a large language model (LLM) designed and created by the team at XRAIL, whose goal is to pioneer immersive learning approaches that help physicians and medical residents gain valuable knowledge around appropriate protocols for managing conditions like pain in order to build consistency in each patient encounter.
Ultimately, users’ primary mission is to engage with C.A.R.L. and other diverse virtual patients by communicating in a way that results in optimal health care. Anesthesiology residents at New York-Presbyterian/Weill Cornell are increasingly training with him, and Dr. Jotwani also introduces him to Weill Cornell Medical College students in two elective courses.
Just as physicians cannot predict how a patient encounter will go, C.A.R.L. does not answer from a script, reflecting the infinite variables of each patient case. Another advantage? C.A.R.L. never gets tired, so trainees have an ongoing opportunity to continually hone their skills.
The anesthesiologists — both self-taught in development of extended reality — decided to focus C.A.R.L.’s conversations around pain management because, as Dr. Jotwani explains, “We wanted to find a field where there was a great deal of complexity and there wasn’t always an absolute right or wrong, because I think that tends to be the hardest to train for.” Chronic pain patients, he explains, often face the stigma of addiction in looking for treatment of their condition.
“Treating someone who lives with pain requires such a deep understanding of what it means to be in pain. It’s not always black and white, and because there’s such nuance to it, it’s not enough to have a simulation with a standardized patient once per year. You need a way to continue training in these sorts of complex clinical scenarios,” says Dr. Jotwani, who is also the Nanette Laitman Education Scholar in Entrepreneurship.
Dr. Rubin emphasizes how critical it was to integrate the challenges and biases patients face for a realistic, comprehensive and nuanced virtual simulation experience.
“We see patients every day who have felt marginalized by their physicians and are not sure if they can even trust us,” he says. “There’s frustration with that, but if we’re going to prevent that from happening in the future, we must teach medical students, residents and fellows how to interact with patients.”
Dr. Alessandra Riccio, a third-year anethesiology resident, says C.A.R.L. allows her to “understand how to improve in a safe environment.”